Older, single and the age difference
(Names have been changed to protect the wrinkly.)
I met Angie for lunch when she visited here recently. She is almost sixty, single, and lives on the west coast of Canada.
Angie wore a bandage that wrapped her forehead, and pressure-sleeves from forearm to armpit. This was her first outing after the latest round of surgery (arm lipo, forehead lift), which she hides from her son and friends by having it far from home, and affords by getting a deal from an old classmate's cosmetic-surgeon husband.
She said, "Men my age want women at least twenty years younger, and I have to compete."
I've been surprised at how many single men around my age are looking for quarter-century age differentials. "Forty looks good, and thirty-five very good", said Rick, sixty-six. My heart sank. I told him, "If I were single, that would make ninety-five year olds and up my dating pool!"
I used to be live-and-let-love about big age differences, and have seen felicitous unions with twenty or more year spreads. Among heterosexual couples I know, men have been the senior partner, but I took exercise classes with a woman who was happily married to a man twenty-eight years younger.
I always said it's the business of the consenting adults, and meant it. So why am I now perturbed by generation-hopping mate-shopping, which I see happening with men I actually know, not Julian Schnabel?
Because of the stats.
As Renee Fisher wrote on HuffPost,
"At ages 60-64, there are close to 2.3 single women to every single man. By ages 70-74, the ratio is 4 to 1. The last actual sighting of a single man age 75 or above was made in July of 2008, and he was later proven to be an extraterrestrial. Thousands of older women expressed interest in dating him, but, after several unsuccessful dates on Match.com, he fled to his home planet."
I know a number of vibrant, single women over fifty-five who hope for a relationship, whether serious or casual-but-connected. Someone to travel with is the most often-expressed wish, but companionship for more quotidien activities would be fine too. Their yearning is kept on the down low, but if I catch them on a bad day, they are distressed. Some have plain given up.
Should they get something going, they are a bit surprised; a friend said of her new sweetheart, "And he actually wants to be with a woman his age!"
They read the young-men-want-older-women articles with bemusement; some have dated men much younger, but as Angie said, "Been there at forty with the Australian surfer dude, not doing that now." She wants plus/minus five or six years.
Rick met Kirsten, thirty-six, on a dating site. When when she returns from Scotland next month, they will go to a concert; in the meantime, they text. I caught the boast in his voice when he broadcast her age. I said, "And what does she want with you?" That was mean, and I apologized. But when he crowed, I didn't like it.
Men who date women younger than their daughters can encounter a disconnect between two life stages. Louis told me about his buddy, Michel, who is sixty-two: "His girlfriend is thirty-four and makes plans for them to hang with her friends at those restaurants that turn into clubs at 10:00, but by that time, he wants to be home, watching a movie."
I asked Louis, who is in his early sixties and single for twelve years, if he dates much younger women. "Never wanted to", he said. "We'd have so little in common." However, some men leverage their worldliness. Linda's sixty-eight year old ex, Paul, is with a woman thirty-three years younger. She says he "enjoys being a 'Professor Henry Higgins'".
And now I post the sentence I've deleted several times: And a terrific woman around his own age sits home alone.
My sensible neighbour Lou said, "But aren't our friends better off without immature, superficial guys like that?" The men I'm thinking of didn't seem that type. I'm wondering what's happened. Do women near their age remind them they're getting on?
Meanwhile, Rick's trying to figure out what Kirsten's texts really mean (irony's a bitch, Ricky), and Angie is waiting to get the stitches out before she flies home.
I met Angie for lunch when she visited here recently. She is almost sixty, single, and lives on the west coast of Canada.
Angie wore a bandage that wrapped her forehead, and pressure-sleeves from forearm to armpit. This was her first outing after the latest round of surgery (arm lipo, forehead lift), which she hides from her son and friends by having it far from home, and affords by getting a deal from an old classmate's cosmetic-surgeon husband.
She said, "Men my age want women at least twenty years younger, and I have to compete."
I've been surprised at how many single men around my age are looking for quarter-century age differentials. "Forty looks good, and thirty-five very good", said Rick, sixty-six. My heart sank. I told him, "If I were single, that would make ninety-five year olds and up my dating pool!"
I used to be live-and-let-love about big age differences, and have seen felicitous unions with twenty or more year spreads. Among heterosexual couples I know, men have been the senior partner, but I took exercise classes with a woman who was happily married to a man twenty-eight years younger.
I always said it's the business of the consenting adults, and meant it. So why am I now perturbed by generation-hopping mate-shopping, which I see happening with men I actually know, not Julian Schnabel?
Because of the stats.
As Renee Fisher wrote on HuffPost,
"At ages 60-64, there are close to 2.3 single women to every single man. By ages 70-74, the ratio is 4 to 1. The last actual sighting of a single man age 75 or above was made in July of 2008, and he was later proven to be an extraterrestrial. Thousands of older women expressed interest in dating him, but, after several unsuccessful dates on Match.com, he fled to his home planet."
I know a number of vibrant, single women over fifty-five who hope for a relationship, whether serious or casual-but-connected. Someone to travel with is the most often-expressed wish, but companionship for more quotidien activities would be fine too. Their yearning is kept on the down low, but if I catch them on a bad day, they are distressed. Some have plain given up.
They read the young-men-want-older-women articles with bemusement; some have dated men much younger, but as Angie said, "Been there at forty with the Australian surfer dude, not doing that now." She wants plus/minus five or six years.
Rick met Kirsten, thirty-six, on a dating site. When when she returns from Scotland next month, they will go to a concert; in the meantime, they text. I caught the boast in his voice when he broadcast her age. I said, "And what does she want with you?" That was mean, and I apologized. But when he crowed, I didn't like it.
Men who date women younger than their daughters can encounter a disconnect between two life stages. Louis told me about his buddy, Michel, who is sixty-two: "His girlfriend is thirty-four and makes plans for them to hang with her friends at those restaurants that turn into clubs at 10:00, but by that time, he wants to be home, watching a movie."
I asked Louis, who is in his early sixties and single for twelve years, if he dates much younger women. "Never wanted to", he said. "We'd have so little in common." However, some men leverage their worldliness. Linda's sixty-eight year old ex, Paul, is with a woman thirty-three years younger. She says he "enjoys being a 'Professor Henry Higgins'".
And now I post the sentence I've deleted several times: And a terrific woman around his own age sits home alone.
My sensible neighbour Lou said, "But aren't our friends better off without immature, superficial guys like that?" The men I'm thinking of didn't seem that type. I'm wondering what's happened. Do women near their age remind them they're getting on?
Meanwhile, Rick's trying to figure out what Kirsten's texts really mean (irony's a bitch, Ricky), and Angie is waiting to get the stitches out before she flies home.
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And the women I know who are my age now (mid/late 30s) marrying guys in their early/mid 50s? Have explicitly stated that an attraction factor is that the dudes are slowing down their careers and want to stay at home with their kids (... like they missed out on doing with their first wives, usually, insert catty comment here), and guys our age tend to assume that any kids will primarily be the wife's responsibility while he focuses on his career (yes, I also thought that was an outdated attitude, AND YET), and they're seeing the opportunity to have a career and a family with a guy who supports them having that. (And then I've seen a few divorces that leave guys in their 60s trying to keep up with energetic 5-year-olds in joint custody arrangements, and... yeah. It's a mess.)
Not that that helps anyone, but... perspective?
So don't understand it but I'm also not going to pretend to be something I'm not, even if that means accepting that I will remain single. I'd like to think I can remain quietly hopeful that there may be a relationship of equals, of people who've lived enough to accept each other without wanting to change them, and can agree to walk the path together wherever it leads. At the same time it seems worthwhile to pursue life with gusto, even if it means a solo life. If I can't live the life I want by myself, how can I honestly share a life with someone else? It seems like a lot of people are looking to fill some gap they perceive in their lives. I'm not sure I could live with that.
People generally think I'm 10 years younger than I am, my health is perfect and I am active. I own a beautiful home in a beach community. I have two volunteer gigs I love. I had a successful professional career and enjoy a generous pension and now work part time in my profession and am making way more than I made in my best year working full time. I'm financially and mentally stable and have no kids, so I am fairly free of responsibilities beyond myself. I'm intelligent, personable, outgoing. My problem? I don't want to date men in their 80's. I'm open to the possibility that I could meet a man close to my age that would be interested in me, but honestly, I'm preparing to be on my own for the long haul.
Ros: Thank you for bringing the perspective of the younger woman. I agree that when one is in her twenties and thirties the older man can appeal for the reasons you name. Age does not always confer maturity or emotional competence, and I suspect you know that! I certainly can see what a person in his or her thirties and forties offers a twenty-something, and dated a few older men when I was in my early thirties for the same reasons as you.
Mardel: "Quietly hopeful" is such a resonant term. I think the personals ads are tailor-made for men looking for much younger women. If they want that, there's an ample population on those sites.
I have zero interest in remarrying but enjoy company, although truthfully, between working, taking care of the animals and house and this man and having my own life....I’m exhausted. Too much life! But a wonderful complaint to have.
Maybe the secret is stay away from the dating sites?
I was terrified for a few years after becoming a widow, that I would be lonely and fall into yet another relationship where I was the giver and he was the taker.
Well, it's been almost 5 years now, and I am still not lonely and I am the happiest I have ever been. Life is wonderful.
I wish I knew what the secret of my "success" was, so I could share it with others. But I really think it has to do mostly with declining hormone levels...LOL!
Ros: It is also my experience that the kind of person you will date when you do not want a serious relationship can be entirely different from one when you are considering a commitment. And good to get out of your system if you want one.
Marina: Another marriage or serious relationship is not a requirement for a content life; it;'s all in what you want. I know women who feel exactly as you do. A widowed friend felt that way for five solid years, then began to think about dating. Did meet someone through colleagues and has a second happy marriage... life surprises us sometimes.
Nelson Bartley: If you publish your coordinates you may have some women who will relocate. I had to laugh when you grouped boyfriend into same phrase as "taking care of the animals, the house and this man". My friend M. recently broke up with a boyfriend because he required so much care and feeding.
Beth: I think ego has a lot to do with it, too. But also, such men seem blind to the disparity; it is if they figure, Hey I feel 30 inside so why think about the outside? That kind of man applies rigorous standards re his partner's looks and thinks he is just fine.
Jeannine: Yes, it happens- I tell my friends who want another committed relationship not to give up. I have seen marriages between couples in their 80s.
The Widow Badass: I read your comments, then Miss Bat4es. Similar situation, but different level of satisfaction. Some women simply do not want a relationship, some want occasional company, others want a marriage. The one immutable fact is the stats; the supply dwindles. So if not looking, some women will thank you.
Bunny: Oh yeah. My mother had two friends whom she could no longer invite to the same bridge game because, as she told me, "Hazel stole Monica's boyfriend." The women were in their mid-70s.
Miss Bates: I agree that internet sites court the kind of man looking for much younger women. (Though not all the men in this post met their companions that way.)
I have heard about this exclusion issue, and even when I was single in my early 30s, felt it. One time, at a dinner party, I was seated next to someone's husband and had a conversation (about his work). The next day his wife called me to tell she had seen me flirting and that she did not "share her husband". I was astonished and told her that, truly, I was not doing that. What I did not say is, "Your husband is a very dull man; the only thing he can talk about is labour law. If that's good enough for you, great, but very few women would sign up for that."
The women whom I know do a lot together, like you and your friends. A great deal depends on the zeitgeist of the group. (A group of low persons can keep everyone down.) A "social ghetto", no matter its composition, is enervating.
If life is "soul-destroyingly joyless" it's time to take some action, shake things up. I'm not suggesting an "Eat, Pray, Love' year-long sojourn, but getting out of your routine seems to me like a place to start. We cannot alleviate all our suffering, but at 57 you have a lot of time to live (one hopes) so please think about this. I am not telling you •how to be•, but I am hoping you can take steps to truly live.
Just one example: Isabella Rosselini went back to school to study animal behaviour and conservation in her 50s.
I am flabbergasted by how many men truly believe that they look and act far younger than their years. A handsome 58 year-old assured me that women assume he's 40, when they meet. He has all his hair and is in good shape, but he looks like a well-preserved 55 year-old, perhaps. I am also shocked by how many financially successful single men see a significantly younger mate as a right and as a foregone conclusion.
The fertility issue does appear to be a dividing line in many guys' minds. Men see that they can have sex, fun, laughter, companionship with a revolving door of attractive, interesting women. More than one has explained the only compelling enough reason to give up his freedom and to put himself at financial risk (a strong disincentive to many, when considering cohabitation) is to give stability to children. If a woman isn't likely to get pregnant, he's unlikely to settle down with her.
*sigh*
Men looking to have a second family will of course be looking for companion who can bear children, or at least rear them. In my experience, there is one truly ticking bomb, it is the opposite situation, when much older husband says "Absolutely no children". I have seen the younger women eventually want a child; in several cases this destroyed the union. I have concluded that it is dangerous to tell a woman under 30 that she must agree to never bear children as a condition of the marriage (or relationship). I have seen women agree, then change their minds, and it's a painful reckoning.
Which he did. Thankfully, he cut his losses after the second bite.
This is not the first time I’ve heard that tale. Insecurity makes these older men easy prey.
Maggie: Oh, yes, and your friend got off easy. Women fall for it too. I have been shocked to receive a few unsolicited FB messages from men who look like they are playing this angle. You don't have to be old to be vulnerable, but when you combine loneliness, boredom and insecurity with the ease of online "connections", it certainly makes it easier to be fished in.