What is it about Eileen Fisher?
If there were ever a label I have worked so hard to love–no, worship–it is Eileen Fisher.
For a good twenty years, from the label's Japanese-monk debut to its present Asymmetrical Goddess incarnation, I've been lured to the murmuring, monochromatic balm of the ads.
I have trolled EF boutiques, admiring the lichenesque colours, the self-effacing elegance, the zen discretion. I have tried on countless wools, silks and fine cottons, petting the lovely hand. When I found racks of EF at a discount store, I phoned my friend Marlene, prompting her to nearly wreck her car speeding there.
But I don't buy.
My friends do, as do many readers and bloggers. A women in EF does not look like she's trying to be mistaken for her daughter, trying to get a promotion, trying to seduce... trying for anything. She does not need to try; she is.
But EF is like the older sister of your best friend, the one who comes home occasionally, wafts an indescribable cedary-lemony scent, has the perfect ponytail and is kind but decidedly remote, inhabiting her singular, more refined world. We just don't connect.
When I picked up The New Yorker's Style issue (Sept. 23, 2013) for a bedtime read and found a long piece by Janet Malcolm, "Nobody's Looking At You", I thought, All will be revealed.
And much is, about Fisher herself— inscrutable, beautiful, elusive. Malcolm about weeps trying to understand the leadership koans ("the concept of facilitating leaders", "delegation with transparency") that guide the company's culture.
Malcolm respects this complex woman who made the simplest of clothes (a design team now fills her shoes). She hints at Fisher's eccentricity in descriptions of her shyness, oddness and dislike of the business side of the company. Eileen Fisher reminded me of St. Laurent (minus the drug-fueled partying).
But I got no further in understanding why the clothes fail to incite gotta-have-it-lust.
Upon waking the next morning, the reason hit me smack in the face: boobs. EF is not about the lushly three-dimensional female form. Yes, there is a woman under there, but head to toe EF has a contained quality. A woman will look womanly, but not sexy.
It's not that I wear frilly chiffon dresses or hootchie-mama décolléte. But there is a good eight degrees of chill built into EF that keeps me just on the wrong side of the shop window. When I mentioned this to Le Duc, he said "Eileen Fisher makes women look like nuns."
So who floats my strict boat?
Ça va de soie, a Montréal-based knitwear designer. Below, a page from last winter's catalog; the high-quality knits, in wool and cotton, are uncontrived but more fitted than EF. That high armhole elongates the torso and there are some fairly deep necklines which you can cami-flage or not.
Vivienne Westwood, whose Anglomania cloud coat in cherry makes me thrum with ardent adoration; I'm a fool for tailoring.
There are other designers, both European and North American, at various price points, who know women have boobs and a butt, and will wrap a seam or place a dart to caress them.
EF's great advantage is that their collections are presented in easy-to-assemble seasonal collections, offering both longstanding best-sellers and new pieces that coordinate. There is an ease beyond the cut; the company positions the acquisition of an Eileen Fisher wardrobe as sensible indulgence.
Some women mix the pieces with other designers; my take is that this is not often chic and at worst, jarring.
Right now, I am thinking of my close friend Alice, in her teal silk EF ensemble, narrow pants, shell and sheer gazar coat, feminine and floaty. She looks fantastic in that, so there is definitely a woman for whom Eileen Fisher sings.
But she is not my designer, and now I am closer to knowing why.
For a good twenty years, from the label's Japanese-monk debut to its present Asymmetrical Goddess incarnation, I've been lured to the murmuring, monochromatic balm of the ads.
EF ballet-neck layering dress in merino |
I have trolled EF boutiques, admiring the lichenesque colours, the self-effacing elegance, the zen discretion. I have tried on countless wools, silks and fine cottons, petting the lovely hand. When I found racks of EF at a discount store, I phoned my friend Marlene, prompting her to nearly wreck her car speeding there.
But I don't buy.
My friends do, as do many readers and bloggers. A women in EF does not look like she's trying to be mistaken for her daughter, trying to get a promotion, trying to seduce... trying for anything. She does not need to try; she is.
But EF is like the older sister of your best friend, the one who comes home occasionally, wafts an indescribable cedary-lemony scent, has the perfect ponytail and is kind but decidedly remote, inhabiting her singular, more refined world. We just don't connect.
When I picked up The New Yorker's Style issue (Sept. 23, 2013) for a bedtime read and found a long piece by Janet Malcolm, "Nobody's Looking At You", I thought, All will be revealed.
And much is, about Fisher herself— inscrutable, beautiful, elusive. Malcolm about weeps trying to understand the leadership koans ("the concept of facilitating leaders", "delegation with transparency") that guide the company's culture.
Malcolm respects this complex woman who made the simplest of clothes (a design team now fills her shoes). She hints at Fisher's eccentricity in descriptions of her shyness, oddness and dislike of the business side of the company. Eileen Fisher reminded me of St. Laurent (minus the drug-fueled partying).
But I got no further in understanding why the clothes fail to incite gotta-have-it-lust.
Upon waking the next morning, the reason hit me smack in the face: boobs. EF is not about the lushly three-dimensional female form. Yes, there is a woman under there, but head to toe EF has a contained quality. A woman will look womanly, but not sexy.
It's not that I wear frilly chiffon dresses or hootchie-mama décolléte. But there is a good eight degrees of chill built into EF that keeps me just on the wrong side of the shop window. When I mentioned this to Le Duc, he said "Eileen Fisher makes women look like nuns."
So who floats my strict boat?
Ça va de soie, a Montréal-based knitwear designer. Below, a page from last winter's catalog; the high-quality knits, in wool and cotton, are uncontrived but more fitted than EF. That high armhole elongates the torso and there are some fairly deep necklines which you can cami-flage or not.
Vivienne Westwood, whose Anglomania cloud coat in cherry makes me thrum with ardent adoration; I'm a fool for tailoring.
There are other designers, both European and North American, at various price points, who know women have boobs and a butt, and will wrap a seam or place a dart to caress them.
EF's great advantage is that their collections are presented in easy-to-assemble seasonal collections, offering both longstanding best-sellers and new pieces that coordinate. There is an ease beyond the cut; the company positions the acquisition of an Eileen Fisher wardrobe as sensible indulgence.
Some women mix the pieces with other designers; my take is that this is not often chic and at worst, jarring.
Right now, I am thinking of my close friend Alice, in her teal silk EF ensemble, narrow pants, shell and sheer gazar coat, feminine and floaty. She looks fantastic in that, so there is definitely a woman for whom Eileen Fisher sings.
But she is not my designer, and now I am closer to knowing why.
Comments
Darla
I will continue to admire from afar.
Lm
I do buy clothing from other lines (mostly WorthNY and Lafayette). as I have found that there is not an EF garment for every need.
I don't try to dress like a nun. I think it would be possible to dress like a nun in EF clothing depending on which style you choose.
Lm: YOu will see some curvy women wearng them, and EF, to their credit, make Plus sizes in the same beautiful fabrics. I think it is more a matter of taste than size.
Kristien: And I notice EZF making forays into colours like paprika and deep bottle green, unlike years ago. But still, it's not my cut.
Susan: I expected some defending by EF wearers, and I acknowledge the brand's strengths. I would not call the dresses sexy, ever- but that is relative. The woman who buys L'Wren Scott is not gong to have to mull a choice between that and EF.
EF is designed with a certain customer in mind.
My husband did not say that the woman in EF •tried• to look like a nun, he said she looked like one. There is a difference.
About the clothing being plain--yes, it is! That is one of the things I like best. I find simple to be more flattering and also a nice canvas for accessories. Plain clothing is also more versatile and allows a smaller wardrobe with varied looks.
Enough of the defense of EF. Not everyone likes it.
The only other line that does this is Chicos! And maybe JJill, but their quality is distressing.
Interestingly my tall, very thin 22 y.o. daughter likes EF too.
You're lucky you don't like it--I find the prices high for the quality, find most items made in China, and find the whole new age aura annoying.
LOVED your description of the friend's older sister -- perfection!
une femme: I do not mean a blatant, workplace inappropriate, I mean a discreet sexy, like that Westwood coat or a pencil skirt (not skintight) and a pair of boots, or a wrap dress, a look I believe you have modeled for us. Maybe I mean a tailored sexy... oh dear, this should be another post.
pinkazelea: That EF looks so wonderful on certain women sharpens my disappointment when it looks shapeless on me.
Gretchen: EF seem to know about this charge, as they have been cutting differently and including more detail in the past three years. I read somewhere that they are trying to appeal to the younger customer, too. There has been a shift, which Malcolm notes in her article too, from the 'old' EF, which was basically a series of rectangles. That is not to say it works for either of us.
frugal: If you can find this quality at a lower price, retail, let us know! For women who love EF there is always a ton of it on eBay.
Anon@10:04: I very much doubt that EF is shipping anything but their store quality. (I know some brands make a lesser quality which they sell at outlet stores and via their 'warehouse' online shops, but have never seen this myself with EF.)
That being said, I have found some of the fabrics in last summer's line not as appealing as I'd expect for the price, while others are lovely.
materfamilias: Women who post themselves in EF are super-happy in it; probably no one else at that price point inspires such enjoyment. Pseu picks hers up with jewelery or a scarf terrific makeup and has vibrant blonde hair which is an accessory in itself.
Without styling, a woman in EF looks very safe and generic to me.
MJ: I like tailoring and detail, but look godawful in a meanswear blazer. That Westwood is me, unfortunately s/o in my size.
Oddly, I have to dress more like a man to show off ways that my shape is womanly.
Lynn
Ça va de soie doesn't go beyond L and hence might well be out of the question for many who are overendowed in the boob department... Their quality is very good and often they have interesting colours (though I shouldn't look at their summer catalogue, as I hate pastels).
Some of the Eileen Fisher garments are cut VERY large. Is that vanity sizing, or are they supposed to be tent-like?
What I do like is the silk and linen knits. Looking at their current catalogue, I see some much more form-fitting garments than beforehand.
Though I can't for the life of me understand a denim shirt (Tencel or not) costing over $200!
I have to say that I find your comments Duchesse to be just the slightest bit hurtful. While it is fine to say that the line does not suit you at all, to imply that those of us who do like EF are dressing like nuns does not seem kind. And, I don't agree with your assessment. As I said above, there are many choices in the EF line and some are quite edgy.
Your post and the ensuing discussion has had the odd effect of conviincing me to actually try EF, even if it means going to Holt's which I don't like to do. Thanks!
The sleeves on the 3/4 tee shirt are too tight for someone who exercises at all or is the least bit flabby, Talbots 3/4 sleeve is a better cut but flimsier fabric. It was too complicated to return from Canada so both are still wrapped up in my drawer ready for a garage sale or the Salvation Army. Very expensive mistake.
The thing I liked about Eileen Fisher was the muted colours, it's impossible to find something like grey tee shirts, older women here dress in primary or toddler colours.
I love simple clothing, so they appeal but I know that they just don't suit me.
I was recently in Nordstrom, looking for a particular style of jacket. The saleswoman, herself of a certain age, started to recommend EF, then stopped, looked me over, and said: "No. Too square for you."
A friend of mine put it best when she dubbed EF "Forever 49."
And yes, that Janet Malcolm piece was offputting! Bizarre, even. It made EF sound like a creepy cult.
Wendy
LPC: I do think EF can be worn by a woman with various sized breasts, but the designs I have tried, over the years, seem to best flatter the A to-B woman.
Nancy K: I know what you mean, but suspect it is the interplay of various cut choices that make it less appealing on hourglass figures. Because, if I may say, Deja Pseu has a bust and looks great in hers.
Nancy: The look you describe also exists in women who wear Eskandar, Rondaldus Shamask and certain Donna Karan pieces (among other designers): soft, unstructured, clothes that are at the other end of the scale from power suits. Good clothes for sitting in, for hours, non-binding.
Susan: Please read that sentence again. I hope you can differentiate between someone's opinion of a clothing line and a personal
criticism of •your• appearance.
Linn: Others have a they have to try on a a of sizes to get the right EF fit. I have tried that too-but extensive alterations, on top of the price? Not going to happen.
Anon@3:06: Do you know anyone who would appreciate them as a gift? Really sorry they are unworn. As for the fabric, I have seen some I thought was very good, and others that did not seem to justify the price.
Poetry (UK) looks rather like EF, as the clothing is unstructured and the palette is those non-colours.
For those who question the quality of EF fabrics, I have this to say. You have to pick and choose. I avoid all the very light weight fabrics and all the transparent fabrics.
I love the ponte knits(for pants) and the viscose jersey (for dresses and tops) . I don't like the voluminous tops at all. I like EF coats. I own several and enjoy them immensely. I don't like the boxy tops. You really have to pick and choose. I think it would be extremely dicey to buy from the website without seeing the items in person. I am fortunate to live in a big city that has both an EF shop and department stores (at least three of them) which carry EF. All carry different items.
And I LOVE their grey.
By the way, hope all had a lovely long weekend. The weather was spectacular here, as is the produce!
C.
If I have to pay retail, probably not. Then on the other hand, I never pay for retail on almost any clothing items. It simply is not worth it to me. I like style and fashion but I will not bankrupt myself for any designer.
I do think one has to shop carefully at EF. They make some enormous cuts and big batwing sleeves, but their dresses bearr consideration.
Yes, or not so appealing. :)
EF clothing remind me of grown up hippy clothing. In a good way.
Anon@ 10:02; eBay is always stuffed with EF. If you know you can wear a particular style, and are willing to watch for it, that is an excellent way to avoid the high price.
Hadilly: Your pieces sound very appealing.
juno: Since the comment was made by my husband, I asked him; he said "like a nun means "asexual'".
He likes quiet, elegant clothes. But his preference is more like the clean but fitted dresses Robin Wright Penn wears in "House of Cards" than the loose monastic robe.
As far as covering up what society finds appealing, nuns are required to dress the way they do. Other women will make their choices, and women in North America show a very wide range of choice.
My husband, though, respectfully admires the charms that are presented in women's conventional secular dress, as do many people with a certain vitality.
EF does not turn heads like some other clothes- which may be an anti-goal to a woman. That is only one function of clothing- and at times that last thing I'd want.
But with my husband with me in the shop, trying on the EF I was thinking of buying to wear, out with him? Different story, and that was his take.
I've had to return many EF pieces because they are not fitted well enough or are too drapey.
Susan Partian: I see many well-dressed petite women but Pseu says the petites departments in good stores are going the way of the tea sandwich, so it's hard. I don't know your style but my petite friends say Rag & Bone and Theory fit them well even though they are not labelled petite.
You'll find number EF-type patterns at Vogue and Burda, as well as the smaller houses. One might think this sort of thing is easy to sew, but some designs (for example, a bias-cut asymmetrical top in silk) are not beginner projects.
Too much 'float-y' ..
Am I too short?
--
But those silk tees
are great.
The nun statement does ring true - I use EF in a work environment that is 98% men and with a casual edge (in the Pacific NW). It substitutes well for a "suit" feel without having to commit to that level of formality; it is neutral enough to the casual observer that I don't feel over dressed. And I love the versatility I get out of the fabrics from one season to the next. It's probably the way I accessorize and imx, but I have never been accused of being unfeminine, typically quite the opposite. Anything that does speak to my curves or a more sensuous celebration of form is in contrast to the majority of an outfit.
Now - if we were really going to delve into what I love and would purchase if I could afford it on a regular basis: Donna Karan. Not the same, by any means, but there is a subset of commonality in the lusher fabrics and comfortable cuts which respond to a woman's curves well. Ms Karan's silhouettes, however, are stunning and quite sensuous-to-sexy. Somehow her clothing doesn't wear me even when more conventionally feminine garb does; it mixes well too. No idea why.
Agree about DK, too. She has an way of mixing comfort with sensuality; she once said, in an interview, "I like my girls to look hot as a pistol"- though the few DK pieces I have owned were easy, wore extremely well and did not date.
The New Yorker piece actually turned me OFF of EF (perhaps the person more than the business). I didn't find much there to connect or resonate with.
My latest delight is finding brands like Cut Loose in local stores that are US made, EF-like (arty) but also cheaper than EF. The same problem of "often too loose, too boxy, too sloppy" still applies, though.
Fisher herself seems like an introvert (at least in that piece), and it's hard for such persons to reveal themselves to those they don't know.
Anon@4:36: You are right that there is no wit in EF, as opposed to, say, Westwood or Dries van Noten. (Maybe that is why women feel compelled to add accessories.)
But my husband also abhored my Yamamoto coat! While I do not dress exclusively for him, if making a big purchase and trying therefore to justify wearing it a great deal, I want him to be able to stand it.
Artful Lawyer: The cat story disturbed me, too. (For those who have not read: EF turned an indoor cat into an outdoor one after he had disputes with her other indoor cats. The cat had spent a winter outdoors and there was no plan to change this approach for the next. He was fed from the porch.)
I had hoped she would find another home for the animal.
I'll gladly check out your alternatives - especially the silks. I'm allergic to wool.
I also like that I don't feel constricted in her clothes, I don't do structured, tailored, lined clothes, I feel claustrophobic and I find I'm always tugging at things. We all have our weirdnesses.
I mix EF with Vince, Splendid, Joie and Helmut Lang, they play nicely together.
But to each her own! I don't really care what middle aged therapists living in Berkeley, California wear -- just don't care and I left all that kind of worry behind years ago. I don't care what men want me to wear either, lest I appear nun-like. I wear what I like and what expresses my joy. I used to feel the same way about women who wear Ann Taylor or women who dress too "ladies who lunch" as some people seem to feel about women who wear Eileen Fisher ... but now I just think that women should wear whatever the heck they want.
Carolyn from Oregon: EF suits some bodies and not others; I bought several pieces over the years. Silk velvet pants worked well, then EF shortened the inseams.
Calabash@4:56: "I feel at home in her clothes" is a simple summary of why the line has grown.
Anon: I think women do wear what they want, but that choice also factors in various criteria: the occasion, their role, and what they wish to say about themselves, visually, and to whom.
I don't dress to "please men", I dress to please one man, and sometimes overrule his opinion. And •I• do not want to look like a nun, either.
Any woman who asks a friend or significant other, "How do I look in this?" is soliciting others' opinions, which she may accept or reject. Wearing what expresses your joy sounds great to me!
Few other brands would evoke such heated opinion. I tried to think- who else? Prada maybe, though not many can afford it.
I have been wearing EF for at least 15 years. First menopause, and then the onset of diabetes left me with an odd shape. Thin legs, no butt, but weight in my stomach area. I could Lways find outfits and pieces that mixed well during those difficult years. I still have many of those pieces, but they are now too big as my weight and figure have become more even.
Fast forward, and I - a New Yorker - find myself living and working in Washington DC. The conservative style of dress is MIND NUMBING!! It has taken me a while to find my style. Some edge but nothing too bizarre.
In my mind I would like to dress in a Bohemian style. But it wouldn't be appropriate, nor does it really suit me (I told you it was in my head).
I wear a lot of EF. I look good in boxy tops and slim pants/leggings/slim skirts. EF also offers some items that have just a touch of edge. The rest of my wardrobe is St. JOHN (travels well, very professional - mostly bought on eBay), and a collection of no iron shirts from Chico's, Brooks Brothers and Nordstrom Rack.
I love EF Ponte fabric - pants, skirts and dresses. I love that most of it is washable. I don't like the price point.
EF works for me. I am excited to find these blogs that can offer suggestions for my age AND my style. :)
I was wearing the E.F.lava kimono jacket, matching E.F scarf in lava, black silk stop and black harem pants. All E.F. except for the black suede wedges with bows. I am still walking on air.
Merry Lemon: Wow, would not at first thought have thought the same woman would enjoy EF and St. John; congratulations on knowing what lines work for you.
Anon@7:54: Lord, I recoiled at those harem pants (any harem pants, in fact), and am sincerely impressed you can wear them well. I also heard they have sold well. An example of how one women's reject is another woman's signature look.
I noticed many of J Jill sweaters have some acrylic or nylon in them, and while a blend can be pleasing and increase durability, EF devotees like their natural fibers.
While 50+ women may need loose, flowing clothing to accommodate bodies that time has changed, an number of us do not want to look sexless. (For others, that is not a consideration.) But it is for me. In EF, I feel like a nun, and the only other person whose admiration I seek, my husband, hates the clothes. So, I am biased. And yet, as I said in the first para, I have worked hard to at least like EF, because I seek simple clothes made from good fabric.
In the several years since I wrote this post, I've revisited EF boutiques and departments, same results. But I can admire it on someone else, usually mixed in, as you describe your ensembles.
I've found a line that is more body-conscious and fits me well (ça va de soi); however, they make only tops and a tiny collection of skirts, no pants.
When you first began to buy it 20+ years ago, there was nothing like it readily available. Now there are several brands that sell relaxed, natural-fiber clothing, such as Everlane, Flax, and (at a lower price point) J. Jill, plus a clutch of European "lagenlook" makers like Oska and Lilith.
I still will walk through an EF department or boutique with an open mind. Lately I have noticed more EF marked down and wonder, Was it was overbought by the store? Is it too pricey in this skittish economy? Have women have returned to more (relatively) fitted clothing?
EF lovers ardently defended their pieces in the comments here, and I respect them.
Odd remark from that SA, most tell the customer she looks thinner in the brand.
Oh by the way, my sister, in Connecticut, says that EF seems to always be on sale at Lord & Taylor. I don't have one where I am and for some reason, I just don't like their website. I do have to tell you that Neiman Marcus here had stopped carrying it for a while but now it is back. You are probably right about the skittish economy. Yes, I don't know what was going through the mind of the SA. ;)
I have to admire their commitment to fairly made clothing and responsible manufacture. I by no means limit myself to their clothing.Most things in my closet are from LLBean, JJill, or Universal Standard. I doubt their commitments to the things that EF is committed to, but my pocketbook only goes so far, and I'm not often able to find thrifted clothes that fit my body.