The promise of "timeless" clothes

 Laura J. kindly sent an article which piqued my interest in a thought I have at odd times, or at shopping times: Is there really such a thing as a "timeless" piece of clothing?

Not according to Blackbird Spyplane, the Substack newsletter of culture observers Jonah Weiner and Erin Wylie. Weiner addresses menswear in his post, "Timeless Style is a Lie". He especially dislikes the Harrington jacket, which he says looks clumsy and stupid on anyone, including Steve McQueen.  

Photo: Franklin Harrington jacket, Van's Canada

But, Steve snark aside, he makes pertinent points about a benefit salespersons and style writers often present: this will never go out of style. Weiner calls the term (as applied to attire) "a lie created by apparel-industry marketers", and perpetuated by their legions of alternately innocent and nefarious Handservants in order to hoodwink, confuse and frustrate you about What is Really Going on With Cool Clothes."

He assumes his readers want to look cool, the inverse of stupid, lame or "cooked"—exhausted, played out. Cool-seeking guys, rescue is at hand; just accept that Steve McQueen oinked up every drop of cool in the Universe (White Dude Division), and we are not yet resupplied. You're off the hook.

McQueen in an Aran knit and Persols

Though the time span may be longer for men, in women's apparel, 'timeless' more accurately means that over two generations, a garment worn more or less as created will still look contemporary. Some things once tagged 'timeless' did not last: as Laura J. noted, no one is wearing jodhpurs as sportswear. Obvious examples going strong two or more generations in: the black turtleneck, white tee, cardigan sweater. Military-inspired wear is a trove of timeless: trench and pea coats; the watch cap.

But because a garment has been around for as long as you can remember does not mean it will look sharp today. Improve the chances by attending to three things:

1. Pick the iteration that suits you: There are hundreds of white tees offered, but the right one is not a close-your-eyes and grab matter. The cut, fabric and feel will create the overall effect. 

2.  Look for  contemporary-meets-timeless. As the Spyplane post says, " 'Timeless' changes depending on what time it is." 

Example: the classic women's button-up long-sleeved shirt, which has segued from the dropped-armhole '80s cut to the early 2000's flirtation with cuffs so deep you could hide a cat in them. Collars, seaming, body width: all tweaked as time passes. The current Everlane model has a discreet time stamp: the petite spread collar:

Photo: Everlane

At the same time, don't let your piece stray from its original simplicity. A tailored shirt with puffed sleeves, an embroidered placket or (oh lord, remember?) epaulettes is not going to retain its integrity.

3. Wear it with current shoes, bag and jewellery. This woman, shot by Scott Schuman (The Sartorialist) is in a coat and scarf that could be from any era in the past forty years, but also wears hip kiltie brogues with socks over opaque tights. The hat is a statement too;  this is Milan, where they do pile it on.  

Photo: Scott Schuman, The Sartorialist

Because timeless by definition spans decades, it's cross-generational. Sue Graham and her daughter, Hanna McLeod, creator of the Graham Street site, always show current-yet-classic clothes.

Photo: Graham Street

What do you notice, that eggplant bag Sue Graham holds, the ample cut of her navy trousers—or the easy polish of the whole outfit?  Both women's contemporary classics could be worn by either.

Who makes timeless clothes? The bad news is that designers renowned for clean, consistent designs are usually costly, because they work with superior fabrics and elevated construction. Weiner lauds British designer Margaret Howell. Among the Americans, Tori Burch and Ralph Lauren come to mind, and  some of Zac Posen's pieces for Gap lean quite Howellesque:

 Trench jacket, Gap

I never expected 'timeless' to be literal, so I don't feel frustrated and angry at fashion marketing. It's the same kind of transparent hyperbole as the "knee-length dress", which every woman knows stops well short of the knee. But what I do expect is that a good wool coat sold as 'timeless' will deliver twenty years of pleasing service even if I'm not wearing it myself.  

Wool coat, MaxMara



Two questions for you:

1. Were there things that you thought would be timeless but weren't? I'll go first: knickers (breeches).


And I had them in corduroy and tweed, so yeah. Turns out they had maybe two years.

2. What's in your closet that you consider truly timeless? 

 



Comments

w1chw1z said…
1- Lace up black leather ankle boots with silver coloured eyelets, bought about three years ago, languish unworn at the bottom of my wardrobe.

2- A black wool wrap coat with tibetan lambswool collar bought about 25 years ago from a Joseph outlet store with an original sales tag of £1,200 but sold to me for £250. I immediately removed (and sold) the fur collar, leaving me with a black coat whose only embellishment is patch pockets on the front and a tie belt. The quality is superb, the coat looks as good and smart today as when purchased all those years ago. Incidentally neither oversized nor too long or short.

Thanks for raising this interesting topic
Jane in London said…
Lady Di had a lot to answer for in early 80s fashion terms! I never bought a pair of those knickerbockers, because I didn't have the right legs for them, but some of my contemporaries went all-in and wore them to every occasion (until the trend bombed...). You mention quality of materials, which I think is key since there's little point in having a 'timeless' garment that starts to show wear along the cuffs or the edges of the pockets. I don't think I entirely believe in timeless clothes because, as you correctly cite, there's always something in the cut or detail that - even if only subconsciously - sends you a hint about its provenance.

And then there's also the issue of whether, having bought your 'timeless' item, you will retain the timeless body to continue to wear it. I'm thinking of the lovely black cigarette pants in lightweight wool that I bought in the early 2000s but which no longer flattered me a few years later once menopause hit. The nearest thing I had to a truly timeless piece was a plain wool Guernsey sweater in terracotta, which was truly indestructible. After wearing it frequently for a couple of decades I frankly got bored with it plus - whisper it - it had gone from being an easy fit for layering to being a tad snug across the hips. It got passed on within the family, which I suppose counts for something!

The nearest thing to timeless I can think of is the Fortuny Delphos dress - now that's something I'd never tire of, were I lucky enough to own one!
Tom said…
This topic reminds me of the recurring cost per wear discussions. Like cpw, timeless is only something one can evaluate retrospectively, rather than prospectively at the time of purchase. As I mentioned in a prior comment, I have 40plus year old sweaters bought--aran from london circa 1972, norwegian fair isles from thrift stores--and knit by family members. I even have one knit by my beloved great aunt Fritzi who died in 1969. Then I have vintage Scottish cashmeres that were languishing in the thrift shop--great as underlayers still. And the Burberry raincoats my parents bought when the GBP was par with the USD (this was late 70s, early 80s). And I must also tip my hat to my Eileen Fisher, some of which is hitting 20 years plus (I know you are not a fan....BUT her very plain styles suit me and she used to use very good fabrics, before the current mania for slimy viscose/modal). I could go on . . .Eva
Christine said…
A burgundy and black houndstooth jacket, very plain with a 'Chinese' collar. It was bought in Paris in 1984 as part of a suit; the skirt was lengthened and shortened, taken in and let out, and is now long gone, but the jacket looks fab with jeans and a black roll-neck and re-appears every autumn. It makes me keep my figure! I love wearing my own vintage.
Jean S said…
A couple of sweaters--one bought in London in 1980 at a shop my mother had discovered the year before. (Turns out that Princess Di also liked the place, which carried wool as well as completed garments. I want to say the shop's name was Peru, but lo the mists of time.) The second was bought on our honeymoon in Nova Scotia in 1983.
Martina said…
I wore a 23 year old cashmere sweater from LandsEnd yesterday…gray with an argyle in shades of purple. Definitely timeless! Also, black silk t-shirt, same in black lace, chambray shirt. Maybe a houndstooth pencil skirt?
Duchesse said…
All: What fun reading of your treasures; wish I had photos! Sweaters seem especially timeless, followed by coats and jackets. So much sentiment in these long-kept pieces, with memories of honeymoons, loved ones, trips. Ah yes, Jane our bodies are not timeless—a killer Montana skirt fit for maybe a year. I should have slept in it.
Allison said…
What I thought had timeless legs? A long leather trench coat I had saved up to buy it at Danier. Purchased while living in Toronto’s slightly milder climate it sufficed through fall and winter I thought I would wear it for years…then I moved to Ottawa. It was not suitable for the cold dry winter which demanded more warmth and was eclipsed by a black and red Hudson’s Bay coat, full length worn until it fell apart. Gave it to a friend who restyled it into a toddlers winter coat! Talk about a classic with staying power. The leather coat sat in the closet for a few years until it was donated. Short leather jackets I would purchase again but never long.
What has long term style legs: A black turtleneck Lands End. Purchased when the cashmere had some heft to it still going strong. It seems rather pragmatic but I think that’s what makes a classic. Something that is simple yet is appropriate to many occasions. Not too flashy but has an ‘elevated’ component in this case the cashmere wool. I guess the same could be said for well cut jeans or a white silk shirt. We might let them go eventually but not because they are no longer in style.
Laura J said…
lol I have a summer dress like that..
Kamchick said…
In my wardrobe, my cream cable knit pullover (Ralph Lauren) and my Icelandic Lopi pullover with the patterned yoke (me made) would be 'timeless' items. They are ancient, but still enjoyed. Great post!
Barbara said…
Yes to consider Sweaters as timeless. Over the years I bought V-Neck Sweaters from Bompard, some classic, some oversized, which I still love and wear. And two pairs of AG Jeans, which I think are classic too. Great denim and flattering cut.
noreen said…
i have always been a classic dresser and have had many clothes i would still wear if they still fit me... unfortunately menopause was not kind. my daughter has inherited many of my classic pants and suits and is happy to wear them. she doesnt wear them with a silk shirt and heels as i did to work though. its usually with a nice t shirt and trainers. she also wears a lot of my eighties costume jewellery which looks hip on her and would just make me look like miss haversham. pussy bow silk shirts fit this category too. i do have a beautiful thrifted red fully cashmere button up coat which i still look forward to wearing every year and i have lots of shoes which i still wear. including aquatalia suede chelsea boots and classic loafers and heels. menopause left the feet alone!
Bunny said…
What has been timeless for me? My clothing that I designed and made for myself. It seems to last years, goes for a rest, and then looks relevant and flattering once again. This I attribute to the ability to get a garment with lines that flatter, color that lights me up, and a spark of creativity that at time keeps me awake at night. Some of my pieces are unique enough that they resist trends, permanently, so easily stand the test of time.
Duchesse said…
noreen: it's both fun and instructive to see someone younger play with one's clothes. Many years ago I posted about a visitor who wore my clothes for a week b/c her bag was lost. I was astounded at how she recombined my tried and true items. She was only a few years younger, but a Swede. Such fun to see a different sensibility and eye at work.
Duchesse said…
Bunny: You are our resident Sublime Sewist Queen. I made at least half of my wardrobe for maybe 7-8 years and little would have lasted because I sewed for speed: need this for a party tomorrow night! I have seen how skilled, experienced and exacting you are from reading your blog. No wonder your pieces are timeless.
Duchesse said…
Allison: We bought the same LE turtleneck! That thing is like a rug. Early Danier was great, then they slid as they struggled to stay open and closed that lovely Bloor St flagship store. I find shirts way more subject to looking dated than jeans. The armhole cut, sleeve volume, collar all conspire to whisper the year we bought them. Crew and v-necks outlast them.
Duchesse said…
Cost per wear is indeed retrospective but timeless at least sends advance notice, because when you buy it, it is something you've seen for a generation, like a shirtwaist dress or straight skirt. If you have not seen it on the gen above yours, watch out. Cold-shoulder sweaters are an example.
Duchesse said…
Ah, houndstooth. Houndstooth and Prince of Wales patterns give a timeless air to whatever they are on.
Duchesse said…
I was in a hip vintage boutique trying on a jacket and the young man, probably age 18, assisting me said, "This is REALLY old, it's from the '40s!" I replied, "I"M from the '40s!"
Duchesse said…
Barbara: Have you noticed the prices zoom up for EB? This year I practiced what a friend's daughter calls "cashmere arbitrage" and bought a loose turtleneck for a hedge against further increases.
Duchesse said…
Kamchick: Ralph Lauren built an empire on reproducing timeless cuts, and has more or less maintained good to very good quality in the higher-end lines, Purple and Black Label. Now his sub-brands are blending acrylic into the wool, groan.

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