Can a woman learn anything from menswear?

I have been thinking about how men dress lately; two photos caught my eye for different reasons. The first is clearly one of those runway-bait photos, but still I kept thinking, What man would stuff his legs into thigh-high leather boots? And, under...cotton shorts?

Saint Laurent runway, winter 2026

 I defy a man to walk into a hotel lobby or even a club in this outfit and not get snickered into Sunday. You do you, fella, but I see a silly waste of money. 

The other photo was a different kind of runway, a Sundance tribute to Robert Redford, where Ethan Hawke appeared in a hand-embroidered custom-made suit designed by Dominique Jerrigan that was an homage to the film festival's final Colorado event. (Lyrics from Waylon Jenning's "Waymore's Blues" are embroidered on the trouser seams.)

Ethan Hawke at Sundance

It's another look that draws attention, but a whole different aesthetic. Well, I'd look twice at Ethan Hawke in Dockers, but as ZZ Top sang, "Every gal's crazy 'bout a sharp-dressed man."

In everyday life, men (or those wishing to dress in male gender signifiers) shop differently than women. I notice these characteristics:

1. They usually circumvent extreme trends, and stick with a uniform, whether a polo shirt and jeans or shirt and crisp blazer. They are far less worried about about avoiding styles thought "aging".  You may find a peacock flourish like a red silk lining in a sober suit or a flash of unusual argyle on a sock, but that flash is balanced with restraint. 

2. They expect functional details. Their trousers come with real pockets and shirts are made to tuck in without popping out when they raise their arms. Tailoring comes with the territory, except when absent for a reason, e.g., sweatpants or chore coats. Obsolescene takes longer to arrive.

3. They encounter less pressure to conform to a size ideal. No maker uses the term "body con", nor is the word "flattering" floated when advertising pleated trousers. The guy above age 50 who doesn't fit into his pants does not buy industrial-strength shapewear; he orders the bigger size. 

When he shops, he has the advantage of consistent sizing. A pair of trousers with a 36-inch waist and a 32-inch inseam is just that. I spoke with Manny Straith, of Straith's Fine Clothing (fine, indeed) in Victoria, B.C. while shopping for Le Duc. He mentioned that vanity sizing has begun to creep in. He sells certain imported cords whose 36-inch waist will actually accommodate 38 inches, but "that's the Italians for you."

Overall, men get a better-made garment for their money. Certain women notice, and order custom-made trouser suits and shirts. But for ready to wear, the men's department doesn't reliably accommodate the female body. Some women buy men's jeans, heavier-weight and often better-stitched, but you need the right hip/waist ratio.

What we can do is send a message that we will not buy the degraded offerings sold to women, by brands that used to be better. (The estimable Bridgette Raes nails it in her recent post "More Clothes, Worse Wardrobes: The Death of Quality in Modern Fashion". She says, "The industry hollowed out the middle while flooding the bottom.").

Example: The Boss "Peduzzi" zip polo in mercerized cotton, not the weasel term "cotton rich" that is fashionspeak for "we put synthetics in this". The price is $CAN 229 at Harry Rosen, a store stuffed with this quality.

Photo: Harry Rosen

For comparison, here's a J. Crew women's crewneck that looks pleasingly plush but turns out to contain  38% acrylic, 22% polyamide (aka nylon), 28% wool, and 15% alpaca; price $CAN 188—not that we are ordering presently.  

How could you, J. Crew?

I remember when they would never sell a garment that is 60% thermoplastic product.

The Christmas clunker

At Christmas, Le Duc gave me a vintage, rug-weight green mohair cardigan whose cut and closure indicated it was a man's garment, which is why the thing drooped like the Seven Dwarves' tunics, the sleeves so long I had to roll them three times.  

You had to give it points for quality— plush mohair, precise finishing—but Madonna, this even hung off my six-foot tall giver.


What read as graceless on me might charm on an eighteen-year-old looking for a dark academia-meets- grandpa vibe. After the sweater was judged "hysterical" by my girlfriends, I modelled another cardie I've owned for years, with a a body cut for a woman; Le Duc said, "Ah, I see the difference!"

He donated the green giant and recovered via a soft blue cashmere tank from Jumper1234. Though menswear-inspired, the colour and cut are feminine.  



Not all men know how to assess quality; as with women, there's a continuum of knowledge and interest. But when a man steps into a good store, he's already ahead of the game. Maybe it's not so much what I learn from them, it's the lessons inherent in the goods they can get. 

The clothes deliver more, and though the cuts change with the times, a guy could actually put some wear on his clothing before it's out of style. 

Used to be this way for women, too.







 



Comments

HEAR HEAR!!! I try to wear men's clothing as much as possible, which becomes easier when you start to love the legitimately baggy and aggressively oversized. My husband's things look elegant and timeless, even after years and years of wear - I'm at the stage where I want to "buy for life", also know as "the last fisherman's cardigan I will ever own". So now I look for menswear that will fit, or I look for companies that make things for both men and women. Yet another way women have their already lower incomes eaten into by their choices.
thanks for your beautifully-written and always trenchant attention to this topic,
Janice
LauraH said…
Not that I ever went into the details as you do with this post but I've long had the impression that men's clothing serves them better. Luckily I'm not buying much these days but I would have loved to use that option if my shape was a better match:-)
Laura J said…
All so true. And, note: not afraid to wear the same outfit over and over….and over and over!
royleen said…
Yes, yes, yes!! You should publish this in the NY Times, everywhere! We all intuitively know this; you have put the words and thoughts together beautifully. Thank you!
Beth said…
That first photo is hysterical! You make excellent points here. I've always felt menswear was better made. (Hello from CDMX, where I will be looking at a whole different fashion aesthetic.)
Murphy said…
Yes! My husband has been wearing essentially the same navy dockers for the past 35 years - when they get frayed or he changes size he just buys a new pair, which happens infrequently. Same with his collared shirts. Meanwhile, I don’t want to think about the sheer number of items I have gone through in the same period. Quality is only part of it - a lot is the constant pressure not to look out of style.
Allison said…
I was born into a house of males who always wore bespoke suits. Not that we were rich or snobs, it was due to the lasting quality and the built in ability of the tailored suit to stand the test of time, plus a familial figure flaw that made off the rack challenging….short leg/long torsos. Brother’s have been steady clients of Harry Rosen through the years My father was old school Stolery’s customer and always ordered two pairs of trousers with a suit. The jacket will always outlast the pants and good to have one pair in reserve while the other visits the dry cleaner. But it’s the inherent flexibility of the tailored suit that brought father, brothers and my husband back to tailoring. Pointed this out to youngest son who was about to splash out a good sum for a new suit to attend a wedding in Montreal this June. We looked at his current outfit ( Italian made, nice material but, he feels a little outdated). I pointed out the generous seams at waist, cuff and back of the jacket and suggested he take it for alteration to a local tailor and save a bundle. Savings could go towards new shoes, shirt and tie. He lives in his scrubs at work so the suit is rarely worn. It’s about ten years old and has been gently used over the years graduation x1, family celebrations, wedding x2 pallbearer x3. It fits well but a body changes from nineteen to twenty nine so a bit of nipping in and letting out is needed. I also suggested he speak to the tailor about a little updating. “Mom it’s a ten year old suit, I can afford a new one” yes kiddo you can but do you have to? Millenials…
Reminded him that Poppa went to his heavenly rest in a thirty year old custom blazer that had seen several updates, letting out, new buttons but looked just as fresh when the dry cleaner handed it to me as it did the day my father bought it.
I am not sure my husband would have brought home that lovely blue cashmere tank all on his own. He can do fresh bouquets but that little topper is the choice of a gentleman with inherent style!
avicennia said…
Could you have had the green giant tailored?
Bytowner said…
oh Duchesse, you are so right. Wonderful post, from the Ethan Hawke outfit, to the ZZTop quote and you in the enormous green mohair cardigan you had me chuckling and also agreeing with every word. Great comments too.
Made me think of my dad who had no dress sense, but understood when he was getting good advice. There was quite a nice menswear store in Dad's hometown and every five years or so he would buy a jacket on advice from the owner. They were absolutely beautiful soft tweeds or smart wool, and he wore them for decades and always looked great, followed a basic formula and had pockets to accommodate pipe, tobacco, notebook, pen, handkerchief, pocketknife.
When I had a more boyish figure I did thrift men's clothes, but have not in recent years. May be time for another look.
Love that cashmere tank.
Duchesse said…
Janice: I've tried men's cardies but the shoulders are too wide, armholes too deep in order to get the length I need (long waist). And I have absolutely melted over some men's crewnecks; even their cashmere is more substantial.
Duchesse said…
Janice: My reply to you got published under LauraH's comment.
Duchesse said…
LauraH: I can't use it except for a tuxedo I once bought secondhand and got tailored but what a suit that was, and I wore it for nearly 20 yrs.
Duchesse said…
Laura J: Yes, but only in a few instances have I heard one man say to another, "He's wearing that grey sweater... again!"
Duchesse said…
royleen: Your comment reminds me of the university textiles prof I had who made us take apart "better brand" women's clothing versus men's to see that women's were often cut off the grain or had sloppy finishing while men's were impeccable.
Duchesse said…
Beth: Hola! Send me a few streetwear shots if you have time! xo
Duchesse said…
Murphy: Le Duc is currently welded to Land's End quarter-zip heavy cotton (Bedford) sweaters. He only changes them when the temps rise above 18C or he destroys one while cooking. I hope his current lot (4 of them) last through the trade war.
Duchesse said…
Allison: Same here, and when my Dad died, Le Duc got his sport coats and had them recut for him. Real horn buttons, gorgeous lining, even the pocket linings were heavy enough to never wear through. When a son married, he spent the summer before the wedding in Hanoi and I gave him the gift of a bespoke suit made there. His brother got an off the rack seersucker suit (summer wedding) at Winner's and had it tweaked by Le Duc's tailor, another good solution for a young man on a budget.
Duchesse said…
avicennia: Not really; tailoring knitwear is a whole other realm from tailoring woven fabrics and tailors will tell you to find a knitwear specialist (I tried for something else and the only person who advertised that skill had closed.). Also, it did not fit anywhere (arms, length, shoulders) and then there was that unattractive low double-breasted closure. It would have been super-expensive to redo all that. I would consider it only for a knit garment of deep sentimental value when money is no object.
Duchesse said…
Bytowner: If you would like more Mr Hawke I would not mind doing that research ;) A good men's store knew how to dress a man to fit his body, and also how to build on what he had. In my twenties, I hunted vintage stores for Edwardian men's shirts, which I wore as dresses. Ah, youth!
Jane in London said…
You are so, so right! And no man would be expected to buy a woollen coat made of cloth that's bigged up as "double-faced" but is actually no such thing and is simply unlined... (my pet peeve)

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